Old Mini Monday 13 – Fantasy 03

Old Mini Monday 13 – Fantasy 03

Background

While visiting my brother, he rounded up all his old painted minis and let me borrow the box of them to share on the blog.

 

Miniatures


Greater Golem, Iron (11-417)

 


Greater Golem, Stone (11-417)

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Manufacturer

Ral Partha Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (AD&D) line. The minis look to have been in two pack of “Greater Golems (11-417)”. One an Iron Greater Golem and one a Stone Greater Golem. They are pretty hefty minis, and I can’t imagine how much the two pack cost back then.

 

Characters/Minis

Lovely sculpts on these. My brother painted them both in metallics, as we primarily used them for ‘large, metal statue monsters’ that we had created for our homebrew dungeon crawler game. It’s also why they are based on white plasticard, to show how much area they take up.

I really liked the Iron Golem mini and the way my brother had painted it in two different colored metals. At the time, I don’t think I had seen anything like that, and my inclination would have been to paint it all in one metal color. Drab!

 

Tangent – Paint Hacks

Hopefully you’re not as dreadfully slow as I am about painting, but I’ve had a passing interest in speeding things up. Often I will see videos and articles on “Painting Hacks” and “Speed Painting”. And for awhile, I always used to check them out. Because you know, that elusive secret of how to paint my minis much faster and better, was out there somewhere!

Then I would click on the article/video, and it was usually something along the lines of “If you take a Skeleton mini, dip them in white paint, wash, and drybrush…”. Sure, with the right mini and a really simple technique, it wonn’t take long at all. Though I never make things easy on myself anyways, so even a skeleton would likely take me a few hours.

Not quite sure where this tangent is leading to now, but I guess I’m wondering if people have come across other “Snake Oil” boasts in the miniatures hobby?

 

29 thoughts on “Old Mini Monday 13 – Fantasy 03

  1. Nice minis and like you I think the two metalics work well. Not sure I’ve come across any “snake oil” boasts (nice phrase by the way) but I have found some videos a little annoying. Not the producers fault particulalry but being professionals (or at the very least a lot better than me) it often looks easier than it is. More my frustration I think then any misleading on their part.

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    1. Thanks TIM! Oh yea, I have run across that too. Or sometimes the ‘this is so easy!’ bit, and then they flash forward to a completed model that probably took them days to finish!

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      1. Like the 90s GW painting guides. Perfectly easy to follow up through step three (basecoat and details picked out in flat colours), and then step four is HIGHLIGHT ALL THE THINGS, not broken down at all, even tho there are clearly like 4 layers of blended highlights there.

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      2. Alexis’s comment is exactly how I remember those guides. Step 1: block colours. Step 2: ink wash. Step 3: drybrush. Step 4: sorcery!

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  2. The Iron Golem’s eyes make it look kind of like it’s wearing some sort of cyberpunk shades or something 8)

    I was talking a bit with Thor over on Creative Twilight a little while ago about tutorials, and one of the big issues I’ve run into is that most of them are made by people who have been using the technique they’re talking about for a long time, and they’ve internalized so much of it that there are little details they don’t even think about any more. Those don’t get mentioned in the tutorial, but they’re often still important, and if your painting skill is significantly lower than the person doing the tutorial, or even just if you learned in a different style, with different basics, you might never think of those details.

    I can paint stuff really quickly if it’s predominantly one colour. Lay down a basecoat and then drybrush on a couple layers of highlights with a big brush, pick out the important details, done. My Goliaths and Orlocks painted up very quickly, because I’m using simple colour schemes for them. My Eschers, on the other hand, take freaking forever, because each one has a ton of different colours, many of them on fiddly little details, and they’re different on all of them.

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    1. Haha, I hadn’t noticed that on the Iron Golem’s eyes, but now I probably won’t be able to overlook it! Probably because we played the mini so often in our home-brew dungeon crawler, and it was a really tough monster to beat. So we mainly just peed our pants whenever it came out.

      Yea, I think you’re right on the money with the Pro tutorial bit. I think part of it is ‘everyone probably knows that’ or sometimes ‘everyone *should* know that already’ and maybe some ‘I can’t be bothered to explain that’. That happens across a lot of fields. Also, since this hobby is so involved, I think there is a tendency to skip over a lot of details just because of time. If someone describes in detail every little thing, you’ll likely scare off (or bore) most new people. I’m a process freak though, and love to know as much as possible. I feel like I can then sort out what I need and don’t.

      Are you going to paint the Van Saar? Curious what your thoughts are on those. I’ll be sharing a post later on my first take. I haven’t tried the Orlocks or Escher yet. I’m sure the Escher will be pretty complicated, at least with how I want to do them.

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      1. I don’t plan to get any Van Saars. They do look pretty fiddly, tho, not sure there are going to be any good shortcuts there.

        I don’t think it’s assuming everyone already knows, or even not bothering, I think it’s not even realizing anymore that there’s an extra step there, because they’ve done it so many times that it’s all become one thing. It’s why I never used my teaching certificate: Math comes so easily to me that I can’t even see the smaller steps that it needs to be broken down into for people who aren’t good at math to get it.

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  3. Cool old minis – love seeing old stuff.
    I agree with what’s been said. It’s really hard to find good tutorials- and many leave out how comfortable you need to be with your tools and medium.
    (Brushes, inks, airbrushing … etc). Bugged agreement for me would be all the stuff that gets left unsaid or documented because the person showing the tips simply forgets or doesn’t think of it.
    I’ve tried to do a couple step by step demos on my blog … but it’s really hard for me to slow down to try and get it right when I’m on a roll lol.
    Best I can do is show some paint pots used – and a basic order with photos in those stages.
    -d

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    1. Oh cool, I’ll have to check out some of your tutorials. Yea, whenever I do terrain, bases, and hair, for some reason it’s just really ad hoc. “Hmm ok, needs something..Brown! Green! Wash! More brown! Mix up some color! Targeted wash!”.
      Then when I get around to blogging it….”umm, I applied some paint, and some wash, of roughly these colors…”. I don’t know if people get to a point where they are like that with actual models, but that would be pretty hard to document.

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      1. Lol – well there are a few “tutorials” in the mix in n my blog.
        – exactly how your describing … I paint till it looks right to me. Sometimes- I document the steps along the way. Most of the time it’s good if I just get photos of the paints I used.
        -d

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    1. Thanks IRO. I’ve always thought “golems” were pretty cool. They are essentially robots made by magic. Maybe it’s the magic part that makes them a bit more interesting.

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        1. That’s “Gollum”. I’m not sure when/where I first learned about Golems, but it was probably before I learned of D&D. As a kid I was really interested in mythology and read quite a few books on the subject.

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  4. When it comes to painting tutorials I find I take a little bit away from each one. I really like TableTop Minions videos and his tutorials are pretty straight forward. I’m a fairly slow painter I think. I’ve got slower as I’ve got better with my painting because I’m taking more care to pick out details and highlight etc.

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    1. It’s interesting because I started out watching a lot of the stuff on TT, but lately I seem to watch less. Not sure why exactly, I think I’m usually seeking out more detailed specific techniques these days. I’ve also been watching a lot less YouTube. The last videos I’ve gone through were WarhammerTV. On top of just color choices, it’s interesting to watch the way Duncan paints. Little things like the way he pulls the brush back quickly and sharply along the mini. Seems like he’s got painting down pretty good.

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      1. He’s a superstar. I also just do a lot of trial by error and I am ashamed at the fact that I never document my process haha. I once did some cool metallic effects on some space Marine shoulder pads but had no idea how I achieved it haha.

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        1. I try to just incorporate it into my blog posts or what works better for me, keep a journal off to the side and jot down what I’ve done every night. Like a ‘painting diary’.

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      2. I find Tabletop Minions’ videos to be good background listening for when I’m painting. Similar to when I listen to Stave and Larson’s longform wrestling podcasts, or docos. I kinda tune out and skip over his “painting with the pros” videos as these days I only watch painting tutes when I’m wanting specific information. Not that they contain bad stuff or anything, but generally speaking, time watching (as opposed to listening to) YouTube painting videos is time I could actually be painting. On the other hand, I like Luke’s APS videos, as he’s full of completely new ideas and has a great attitude.
        Most “painting hacks” that I’ve seen seem to be stuff I already know, or involve an airbrush. And I’ve said my piece on setup and breakdown/cleaning time for airbrushes. I’ll try again one day, but it’s far from a speedy process AFAIC.

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        1. Air brush! Air brush! Haha.

          That sounds like a pretty decent way to digest Tabletop Minions. I still think videos would be too distracting for me, as I would want to look up, and then likely get sucked in. I’m getting a bit better at de-focusing now though. I’ve had the Fam come interrupt me several times, and I’ll take a mini-break and then snap right back into it. Before I had to wait until they were all away/occupied, so I could really focus. Maybe it’s just a thing that happens over time, as painting starts to become ‘second nature’.

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          1. It’s the kind of video that’s easy to not watch though, as it’s just basically Adam’s talking head. Like a radio programme as opposed to listening to music. There are times when painting that I’m happy to chat, but when painting details, eyes, tattoos, freehand, text… people need to be quiet.

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            1. Haha….I was doing some tricky highlighting the other night….and in runs the Wife “HONEY!”. Luckily I had just lifted the brush from the mini, or maybe that’s reflex now.

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