Old Mini Monday 24 – Fantasy 14

Old Mini Monday 24 – Fantasy 14

Background

While visiting my brother, he rounded up all his old painted minis and let me borrow the box of them to share on the blog.


Miniatures

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From Left to Right: Monk with Staff (FA07), Obess the Extremely Rotund Warrior (FA71), ?, Assassin 03-022

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Manufacturer

Ral Partha

Characters/Minis

The highlight of this batch for me, is Obess the Extremely Rotund Warrior. The mini actually has a beard, but my brother chose to paint the beard a flesh color, so his face looks even more rotund.

The character works great as an NPC, especially since most miniatures are big muscle bound males or scantily clad females. I love the non-heroic minis, as they are pretty useful and a bit harder to find. This mini also had a resemblance to one of our childhood friend, if he grew up to be a warrior, that is.


Tangent – 
Stuck in the Middle

So this tangent sounded better in my brain, while reading one of TIM’s posts, than it probably will as it is written. Maybe you can relate though.

So, I’ve been married twice. Both times to people who are not native to the U.S. (where I live), and English is not their primary language. While TIM (The Imperfect Modeler) loves to tell stories of battling with the opposite sex, I would have to say that I’ve managed to up the ante by partnering with people who don’t have the same background and language. Plusses and minuses to everything though.

I could probably tell an interesting tale about difficulties in communication, but today I just wanted to throw out the situation I’ve often been in. Parties, get togethers with my partner (and ex-partners) friends and families involved lots of people who don’t speak English as their primary language or who maybe don’t speak the language at all. Which usually meant everyone was speaking their home language. I would be surrounded by people talking in a language I didn’t understand.

Now some people would be bored silly, and probably leave or do some other rude thing. But I’m kind of polite, and would sit there and try and absorb some of it, doing some people watching. When I did pick up on their conversation, they would be pretty shocked that I was able to understand some of it. Usually with them throwing just an English word or two, I would be able to read them and understand what they’re saying.

Humor though, is not very universal. You would think so, but doesn’t seem to be. My Wife doesn’t get 99% of the jokes in American movies. But we did go out one night with a group of her friends, while visiting China. Many beers were involved, and I had many good laughs. How come? Because beer acts like a SciFi translator. The more you drink, the better you get it!

Tangent 2 – Bases

Whoa, it’s a twofer!

So, I was closing in on a miniatures project…and getting that “I’m ALMOST DONE!” feeling. Technically I had a few other times I thought I was nearly done, and then forgot or had to touch up this or that…but this time for sure! I was on the last set of highlights, so what else would I need to do before Dullcote?!

Bases.

This isn’t my first trip to the rodeo, but for some reason, miniature bases keep being a hold-up to getting that mini to the finally completed stage. It’s been making me rethink my process. Perhaps I should get the bases done first and get the mini on them right away?

With the Blood Bowl Dwarves, it would be really hard to paint details underneath the mini with the 30mm base attached. It’s also a bit of a challenge to paint the base itself once the mini is attached. What happens when I get around to applying textures like grit/sand?

I at least got the base primed and it’s base colors done, but will likely have to patch slotta gaps with some green stuff, so that’s more painting once again.

Plus, I’m making weighted bases, which is yet another crazy-making-Faust-project. Having made them, I doubt I will go back to just normal bases, but I do feel the need to make that part easier on myself.

Ok, I should probably throw the question out now:

Do you attach your mini to a base first or last?

If you attach your mini to the base first:

Do you find it hard to paint a mini while attached to a base?

Do you find it hard to add texture to the base while the mini is attached?

Do you paint the base last?

Thanks for stopping by and checking the blog out, and thanks beforehand if you feel like answering any of those questions! 😀

 

 

30 thoughts on “Old Mini Monday 24 – Fantasy 14

  1. Nice post. First up I like the assassin figure best of the four. Not one of your questions but I thought I’d mention it anyway! Second, in relation to my battle of the sexes can I just say SWMBO started it! 😉 I also think relationships with people from different backgrounds is a smart move and one I wish I’d done. Truth is I let a couple get away, an Irish girl in particular but that’s life I guess. Then again things probably worked out for the best. Now to bases. I always paint a figure before basing, purely in order to access tricky areas. As for the base being painted before hand it depends on whether I’m doing single figure or a diorama. For a single figure the odds are fifty fifty, just depends. For a diorma I always paint before fixing the figure unless for some reason that isn’t possible.

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    1. Thanks TIM! Yea, I can’t say that ending up married to people from very different cultural backgrounds was on purpose. I guess there is a part of me that is often attracted to that which is different.

      I like the Assassin too. He would be my #1, if there wasn’t the memories associated with Obess.

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  2. Well, here’s me going to be the complete opposite to TIM! I hate doing bases, so they always get attached to the figure first! I have little problem painting the figure when it’s attached though! Most of the time I have no trouble adding basing material, but usually have to be careful around feet! And I usually finish the base last. Sometimes this process may vary, depending on how I do the base.
    And, like myself, my wife’s first language is English and she doesn’t understand a word I say (through choice I think)! Still love her though (apologies for getting a bit slushy this early in the week)! On your behalf I did ask her about bases though and I think 99.99% of lifeforms would have understood the answer!

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    1. Thanks JNV! I’m starting to think the best thing to do…is just give it a try. Hopefully with my next project I’ll remember to do that. I’ll try attaching the mini to the base at the start, filling any gaps, then priming the whole thing. There are so many parts to getting a mini completed, and there isn’t always a one size fits all solution. Though that doesn’t keep my brain from thinking otherwise!

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  3. Sounds sensible! If possible, I prefer to paint completely assembled minis as well – I think the only time I’ve painted them in pieces (or, more accurately, sub-assemblies) has been when I’ve painted warjacks for Warmachine, since the models are heavy and stick out in all directions!

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    1. I find it best to paint the GW minis in sub-assemblies. I’m still trying to find the right amount of assembly, but ‘legs, torso, & head’ seems to make it easy enough to still paint around all the parts.

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  4. Maybe it’s just that I’ve been watching a bunch of Star Trek lately, but that Monk really reminds me of Spock. And I can’t stop thinking of Obess as “Fat Conan” 😉 It is cool to see some more variety in body types being represented in minis, tho. Not much to specifically comment on, but I like that Dwarf as well. Good sculpt there. And it looks like your brother did some freehand on the shield as well? The Assassin looks really familiar. I think it’s just the similar pose with the cloak wrapped around like that to something you featured earlier.

    I’ve never understood the “battle of the sexes” thing. I’ve always got along about equally with people regardless of gender, with most variation based on whether they’re interesting, bland but inoffensive, or jerks. It particularly seems strange to me that people would choose to spend their lives with someone they have an adversarial relationship with.

    Second languages can be odd. I’m a pretty visual person (even leaving aside the time I forgot my earplugs when I was going to see Motörhead and my ears are still ringing from it), so I can’t pick stuff up from spoken conversations like you describe. But I do pretty well with written stuff. I only took a year of Spanish in high school, but a decade or so later, when I randomly found some Spanish-language magazine while I was bored, I found I could actually get the gist of most of the articles in it.

    Humour is definitely not universal. There are some varieties that generally translate pretty well, like slapstick, but an enormous amount of it involves relying on shared cultural background, either as a commonality, or a contrast. Or even mixing the two. I was actually just talking with someone about how, to the Addams Family themselves, none of the stuff that happens on the show or in their movies would be humour. It’s just slice of life to them. The humour comes from their “normal” being contrasted with our “normal”. Or consider wordplay, stuff like puns and double entendres. Most of those are literally impossible to translate into a different language. Or just get missed by how language changes over time, like how so much of the humour in Shakespeare needs explanation these days because it involves words whose meanings or pronunciations have changed, or that simply aren’t used anymore.

    On the final topic, as much as I can possibly manage, I fully assemble and base things before I paint them. It makes everything so much simpler, and there’s rarely a spot that I really have trouble getting to and is visible from a reasonable viewing position.

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    1. Thanks Alexis! Lots to reply back to there! I didn’t spot the freehand on the Dwarf’s shield when I posted that, I wonder if he did that early on before he decided to rush through getting them done. Yea, I can see the Spock vibe in the monk, now that you mention it. Looking more closely at Obess, his back is open, so he’s wearing an armor piece that looks sort of like a halter top. Odd choice.

      You’re right on the Assassin. I think it was a character set model that Ral Partha did. Most had three models, which are supposed to represent 3 different levels of the character. Though looking over them, I was hard pressed to really tell what indicated a higher level on some. The post below has another version of that model. Not sure if my brother had a third one too. He painted all of them differently, to have more Thief/Assassin characters anyways.
      https://doubledowndice.wordpress.com/2018/09/17/old-mini-monday-20-fantasy-10/

      Hmm, I’ve tried to write down my feelings about the ‘battle of the sexes’, but it’s a tough one. In TIM’s case, I think the intent is to poke fun. I’ve always tried to treat my partners as equals. Probably because of my upbringing in a single parent household with my Mom, and her emphasizing the importance of respecting women. I still have my own biases though, probably many that I’m not even cognizant of. We can try to change, but are often hindered by how our environments helped shape us. Full of learning, life is.

      I’m mainly a visual learner too. Which is I think what helps me, as I’m not good at learning the language itself but I can watch faces and body language to pick up on cues, that I think indicate where they are going with the conversation. It might be ‘yada, yada, yada, McDonalds, yada, yada, yada’. If I see some looks of disgust in there, then I have an idea that they had a bad eating experience. That sort of stuff.

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      1. Yeah, I got a little rambly there. But in fairness, there was a lot to reply to in your original post!

        I’m generally not very good at picking up on stuff like body language either, which puts yet another spanner in the works there. It gets frustrating.

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        1. TheImperfectModeler does that a lot with his blog. I always find something to reply to. Not that I’m copying his format, but on occasion I might have more than one item.

          I feel I’m pretty bad at picking up body language in general. I guess that’s the only thing I have to focus on when people are speaking a language I don’t understand, so maybe that makes me better at it, for that particular situation.

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  5. Your point about humour not being universal reminds me of a guy from China who I used to be friends with, although sadly we lost touch when he moved back there. Anyway, he told me that before he came to the UK he and a bunch of his mates found a satirical news website. Leaving aside for a moment the slightly embarrassing fact that this was in China but they could all read the articles (I wouldn’t know where to begin if I was presented with a series of articles in Mandarin for instance) the thing that amused us both was their reactions to the humour. Apparently his friends were split into two camps, those who thought this was all a joke poking fun at political figures and those who thought that this was a serious news website and Westerners were just all insane.
    Sadly a decade on and I’m not sure the distinction would be clear to me anymore either…

    As for the bases, usually I attach the model to the base, add whatever basing materials I’m using, prime the whole thing in a oner and then paint model and base together. It interests me that GW, in all of their painting tips videos, suggest doing the base last, and if I ever get the chance to ask them why that is I’d like to (I suppose technically I could just go to one of their social media sites and ask but, you know, CBA). I’ve tried basing last and it never works for me, either I end up not doing it at all or I get basing materials on my lovingly painted model and have to fix it. I’ve never found it hard to paint a model whilst its attached to the base, if anything its generally easier because you’ve got something handy to hold it by.

    The exception to that would be if I’m working on sub-assemblies, as with a larger model, although even then the feet or equivalent will still be on a base and so would be treated as normal. However the biggest exception for me would be Necromunda. When I started working with them I just stuck the models to the base as the first step but this turned out to be a big mistake and I’ve since broken every model off again so that I could paint the bases separately. It made such a big difference to me that I’m planning to do a tutorial on it. Nowadays I paint the bases as a batch and keep the models separate. Once the model is basecoated I just grab a suitable finished base and stick it straight on, then paint the rest of the figure.

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    1. I might’ve lost you at the end, but sounds like you normally base the mini right away, except when doing the Necromunda models. What about the Necroumunda models made you change? And I’m guessing that for non-Necro models, you’ll be doing base first still?

      I’m also going to take a guess that the Necro models differed, because of the more intricate bases? I know for me, the bases took a little bit of work and I wouldn’t have been able to do it with the mini glued on.

      With the Blood Bowl Dwarves, their beards touch the base and obscures a good part of the front of the model. Plus their squat nature makes it pretty tough to paint underneath them. So at least for them and Necromunda, it looks like no bases first option.

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      1. Ah, that’s what I get for writing when I’m knackered and on my way to bed! 😉

        “sounds like you normally base the mini right away, except when doing the Necromunda models”
        – exactly this.

        “And I’m guessing that for non-Necro models, you’ll be doing base first still?”
        – Absolutely.

        “what about the Necroumunda models made you change?”
        It’s not the models so much as the bases themselves. To paint them I spray them black, spray them with boltgun metal, wash them agrax earthsahde and nuln oil, then sponge weather them to get them rusty. It’s really this final stage that makes things difficult, trying to do sponge weathering properly with the model in place is really tricky and turns into an awkward and irritating process, whereas doing it with the model separate is incredibly easy (it basically paints itself). So if I was starting a Necromunda model today I’d have the base entirely finished and the miniature undercoated black but otherwise unpainted when I stick them together.

        Interesting point re Blood Bowl, I’ll keep that in mind. I did wonder about doing my Blood Bowl bases with a mix of agrellan earth and tufts of static grass so that would in itself encourage me to do them after the rest of the model is finished. I’ll see what happens when I get to them but its sounding likely that I’ll base them last.

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        1. Hmm, similar to what I’m doing with the Necromunda figures. Except with the Goliaths I think I started on the bases in the middle and with my first Van Saar I forgot to do the base until the end. But then I did all of their bases at the same time, so I can slap them on when ready. If i remember in the future, I will do the gangs bases first.

          Why don’t you finish painting the mini and then attach it to the base? Attaching them to the base is the last thing I do, before Dullcote. I keep all my minis on cork/stoppers using blue tac, so I don’t need to base them until the end.

          Blood Bowl base wise, I *think* I have it sort of easy right now. I’m just doing a grey stone top with the Dwarves. Filling slotta gaps has been a small pain though. Not sure if Agrellan Earth works as a filler, but I imagine it might be a little harder. Won’t know till I try though.

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          1. It’s just how I work really, each step becomes a cohesive process (so I do all the building first and then all the painting). I used to paint the model first and then the base second but I found there was never any real need to and actually I often ended up not doing the base until much later (in fact I still have early models in my collection which never got properly based). I think whatever works for you is the way to do things and that’s what works best for me 🙂

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            1. Of course, just wondering if there was something I was missing. It often feels like a puzzle, determining what parts to put together, at what stages and what to paint first. Often I find myself saying “Next time I’ll do that differently…”, but there always seems to be something. Maybe after I get a decade of experience under my belt, it will all be easy peasy.

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    2. That’s called Poe’s Law: There is no way to make satire or parody so extreme that it can’t be mistaken for the real thing.

      And good point on the Necromunda bases. Enough of the detail on those is sunk in deeply enough that they’re a serious pain to do once the Model is on. I have some crappy 25mm bases that I lightly stick Necromunda Models to while I’m priming and painting them, and then once the base and at least the Model’s boots are done, the get moved onto the real base.

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      1. I’m just glad the Necromunda bases aren’t slotta bases. The ones in Blood Bowl are slotta, and have an extra hole so you can place a pegged ball or a magnet in it. In the end, just means more gaps to fill. I’m finding the non-slotta bases much better as I can paint the whole thing, pin the minis foot, and then drill a small hole into the base for the pin to go into. So much easier and the mini is still firmly attached. Down with slotta, I say!

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        1. I have a bunch of old metal Plague Marines that I’m slowly working on, and one of the reasons it goes slowly is that I either have to very, very carefully cover up the slots, or cut off the tab and get it cleaned down completely flush with the foot, so they look right in the swamp basing I use for my Nurgle stuff.

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  6. A good post, been married twice myself, but both to English speakers. I did spend 3 months in the early 80’s in Southern Italy staying with my sister in a little village, not much English spoken there. So it was a definite case of hanging out with people I didn’t understand nor they me. We managed to get along fine by working out the gist of things with attached hand signals…
    As for your questions…

    Do you attach your mini to a base first or last?
    If you attach your mini to the base first:
    Do you find it hard to paint a mini while attached to a base?
    Do you find it hard to add texture to the base while the mini is attached?
    Do you paint the base

    Always attach my mini to the base first, gives me something to hang onto.

    I don’t think I find it hard to paint the mini on the base, the base sometimes gets in the way but suppose I am used to it.

    Nope I always try to add texture first. if I get some on the mini I can then take it off without damaging the paintwork. I always like to add the basing material at the start. If there are any minis on my blog without it it was because I either couldn’t be bothered to go out to the shed to get it or I wanted to use a rattle can to spray them a particular colour. Usually I then texture before painting, but sometimes I get too excited and forget or can’t wait the two days for the PVA to dry. A day to add the texture and another with the watered down PVA to seal the sand. I also do a basing gunk of paint, sawdust and PVA, which saves on the painting.

    Yes, I always paint the bases last. Look at any of my posts, and you will see none are based, I hate basing miniatures. My Mongols are being left with the sand showing. I decided not to paint over it. I am seriously thinking of doing some of the basing compound as shown on Luke’s APS channel. Soil and coloured tile grout. This means it won’t need to be painted. I also picked up some interesting sand from a beach in the north of the island. It is a nice multicoloured one. A lot of black in it.

    Hopefully the answers make sense.

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    1. Makes perfect sense, thanks! Yea, I don’t have as much experience as most with texturing bases. My first tries way back when, were pretty abysmal. I’ll be tackling it some more in future projects though. Hopefully I have the right type of PVA glue this time.

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  7. My wife is almost from a different planet hehe. She’s from country and I’m an urban boy but country boy wanna-be. Bases aren’t my favourite but I’ve learnt to try my best and also to appreciate them a bit more. A good post man

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    1. Thanks IRO. I think you do pretty good with your bases. I was thinking last night there really is so much stuff I haven’t tried or found a really good technique I like yet. The more you learn, the less you know.

      I’m kind of a country boy, but want to be an urban boy. But I also feel like I never truly fit in either. I have a lot of country boy values, but am too busy to appreciate the simple life. It’s tough.

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      1. Haha I’m a rare breed. It’s been my job to “fit in” build rapport with sales jobs I’ve had BUT generally, in the real world, I never feel like I fit in hehe. Even with my closest mates I feel like a stranger sometimes. I’m happy though. PLUS you and I fit in here in this crazy blog world of ours. I’m glad you like my bases but they’re fairly simple.

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  8. Unless there’s a reason not to (awkward model, large model, etc) I glue the model down first, then do the basing, often up to the “final” drybrush on the sand before getting properly stuck into the model. This because I drybrush bases, and the last thing I want to do is screw up my nice model with errant drybrush strokes or be supergluing plastic models to sand or basing paint when I could have had a nice plastic-plastic weld join. Painting a lot of old-school metal slottabase models also means that tab space needs to be covered by the basing sand and such, so that really means it needs to happen upfront.

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    1. New Blood bowl minis are also slotta, but I still do bases last for most part. Mainly because I want to be able to paint the undersides. Sometimes I’ll try to get as much paint as possible on the lower part of the mini, and then base them. This worked well when getting some Necromunda models ‘game ready’. I prepaint the Necro bases, as they aren’t slotta. Then can base paint most of the mini. Drill holes for pinning them to the base. Take an exacto knife to scrape paint away from the pin holes, glue down.

      For BB, I’ve been doing bases last, as that slotta means extra work to try and hide it. My goal is to ditch slotta though, and just start clipping the mini off the slotta near the start. I’ll likely get bases ready beforehand for them, drill, cut away, glue, etc.

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      1. The BB ones look like they’d work just as well by clipping the slotta off the model, gluing them onto a standard 32mm base, and then using a pin vice to drill a ball hole in (if needed). Then the slotta-32mm bases can be used for sweet, sweet vintage figures getting a base-size upgrade.

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